Hello,

We will organize a community IRC meeting 18th of may. If you have topics you'd like to discuss on, I suggest you to put suggestions on this post. This IRC meeting will be organized with partners, the management at Tiny and every one from the community that want to attend. It will be at 1p.m. GMT, on the official IRC channel:
http://openobject.com/irc/

Thanks,


P.S.: We apologize about the last monthly meeting that didn't take place.

I'd like to talk about a Unit testing suite to improve the stability of the framework, something similar to PHPUnit, JUnit.

This would make it possible to get code coverage reports and make sure that a fix indeed fixes something without breaking something else.

Freerk

Guys,

I agree, for me a non regression test infrastructure is the most critical thing Tiny should do before attempting any new significant code change. I created a blueprint for such a test environment, interested folks can comment here:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openobject-server/+spec/openerp-requires-a-test-server


Looking at the past, I think that other issues have been just as critical, for instance:
- the public forge infrastructure
- the documentation
- the performance
On all those points Tiny made a great work since one year and I think those points are mostly over now. If they do as much in respect to tests and code quality, next v5.2/v6 could be awesome. Hope they are taking that point seriously, I think 30% of integration costs could be cut if quality were much better. Currently it's always hard to explain to customers they should pay us to test for daily regressions or trivial bugfixing. Not to say that because of this hassle making integrators busy, fewer customers can enjoy to get in production.

See you in the irc.

Raphaël Valyi
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CEO and OpenERP consultant at
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+1 for Stability of the stable branch
How this will be accomplished can be discussed further, both mentioned options are viable but we have more possibilities i think.

I want to add a third one:
The option to import code changes and customizations in a different layer.
The user has to specify the layer in where he will be working. The layer function is nothing more then a searchpad to follow by openerp when executing some code.

That way standard code can always into the standard layer. Updates can be in a update layer and tested in company before the majority will switch to the tested layer. On top of that customizations (or localisations) are held. With a simple diff the update-changes in standard can easily be ported to the customization layer!
This will make live, maintenance, customizations and testing for a company much easier. Updates can be prepared and tested.
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Jan
www.veritos.nl
www.supportandmaintenance.org

I want to discus the execution of action points committed in last IRC community meeting.
According the rules written in doc we have to follow-up to make it a success.

e.g. my action points are executed, the outcome send to the approved people within Tiny, to disappear in ..........?? There is even no response on status updates request!
I can accept aa delay due to circumstances, even a trow away if situation changes, but it is not done to sleep in silence.
How can we improve?
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Jan
www.veritos.nl
www.supportandmaintenance.org

I would like to discuss if it's necesary to have a little forum entry or classified site to offer and demand little programming, learning or consultancy jobs.

Thank you.
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Hi,

I would like to request:

1. Someone put a nice VPC or Vmware for the new users to work with OpenERP. I have built couple of VPCs, but I am having problem with the OpenERP build, installer downloaded from the openerp site works fine but to build a source is a nightmare, one cant debug. I would not mind sharing my VPC which got OpenERP installed on windows.
2. Demo scripts: I am busy doing some demo scripts which demostrate the business processes and how one can do it in OpenERP...I know there is a manual but demo scripts are more like scenarios....I will share them and also it would be nice if people contribute to them and if OpenERP team can improve it and publish it for the people to use.
3. Webcasts: If there could be some webcasts which would help users quickly familiarize themself with OpenERP fairly quickly
4. Training videos: I know one should pay for it, but as soon as one goes in more depth of OpenERP hours turn into days and weeks to learn about small functionality. If no training videos than perhaps a little tips and tricks section ..... i must say there is strong emphasis on technical side but where the business processes are concerned very little is available out there. Most of the people including me seem to be struggling with the software installation or build or technical stuff rather than talking about functionality (atleast this is what i noticed)


Many Thanks
Dhariwal

Anything else ?

We should discuss about the roadmap. Today we will publish on the planet:
* things we developed during the past 4 weeks
* things we will develop for the next month.

My proposal is to move this forum to a better engine. Now even such a basic functionality as searching is quite difficult.
There was a discussion about this before and rvalyi suggested google groups:

Quote:

One features among a lot of others that make me think things like Google groups are better then PHP quick/cheap forums. A few features I like in Google groups: - it's fast - search works and that their job - rating exists - you easily flag the messages that were useful for you - you always know what has been posted since the last time you visited - Google will profile us and understand we don't give a shit about SAP so may be they will ultimately stop showing their adds to us Wink

Fortunately,

Tiny just added a mailing list feature (but they didn't blog about it, did, they?), so now, by clicking on the top right menu of this forum, you can just subscribe to new post an get updated instead of the hassle of looking for new posts every day. By using this mailing in conjunction with GMail, you are almost in a Google Group... (personnal staring, updates, efficient search...)
Only community rating of the forum posts might be missing.
So, for now I would say that the forum is finally usable. It could be better of course, but I think that focusing on a good test suite + code quality refactoring is just way more urgent for OpenERP, so now the mailing list exists I'll not be asking for improvement their anymore in the close future.

Raphaël Valyi (from the forum mailing list!)


On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <forum-user@tinyerp.org (forum-user@tinyerp.org)> wrote:

Quote:

My proposal is to move this forum to a better engine. Now even such a basic functionality as searching is quite difficult. There was a discussion about this before and rvalyi suggested google groups: Quote: One features among a lot of others that make me think things like Google groups are better then PHP quick/cheap forums. A few features I like in Google groups: - it's fast - search works and that their job - rating exists - you easily flag the messages that were useful for you - you always know what has been posted since the last time you visited - Google will profile us and understand we don't give a shit about SAP so may be they will ultimately stop showing their adds to us Wink _______________________________________________ Tinyerp-users mailing list http://tiny.be/mailman/listinfo/tinyerp-users

@Rapha�l Valyi, you are right when you subscribed years ago to this mailinglist. users who are subcribing now, are building there own list from this moment in there own mailbox. Search is usefull for mention postings in the past!
resulting that this solution isn't comparable at all with e.g. google groups.
And yes, the current forum is more usable now, but unfortunately lots of users have problems in posting theire message as there message is "spam-blocked" while it is not spam at all.
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www.veritos.nl
www.supportandmaintenance.org

An E-LEARNING tool for those who are unlikely to go to Belgium to attend an on-site training.

It's not something to give to the community, it's a service you can offer for which you'll be paid.